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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://complete-concrete-concise.com/blog/ubuntu-11-10-first-impressions-not-positive/#comment-366&quot;&gt;Lxir&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for your comment.
I&#039;ve grown used to Unity and, in general, like it (I find the traditional menu driven paradigm for navigating a computer so-o-o-o last century).
Ubuntu is a Linux derivative and over the past 6 months I have come to realize that Canonical (Ubuntu&#039;s parent company) focuses on the front-end user experience and not so much on the back-end OS. In fact, Ubuntu is often criticized for not contributing more to the OS - whic is true, Canonical does little OS development. Consequently, the OS code it runs is fairly stock stuff - code that will be running in other distributions - so switching to another distro will likely result in the same problems.
Where Ubuntu shines (compared to other Linux distros) is that it works out of the box - the fiddly details of running / installing / updating applications on a Linux box are nicely hidden from the average user.
Unity is a big if. It is cler that the Unity in 11.10 was not finished. It was only good for launching applications. In 12.04, with the HUD, Unity is much more powerful. Canonical&#039;s biggest blunder with Unity is in not providing a tutorial or walk through. You can&#039;t change the UI paradigm and not explain it to people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://complete-concrete-concise.com/blog/ubuntu-11-10-first-impressions-not-positive/#comment-366">Lxir</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.<br />
I&#8217;ve grown used to Unity and, in general, like it (I find the traditional menu driven paradigm for navigating a computer so-o-o-o last century).<br />
Ubuntu is a Linux derivative and over the past 6 months I have come to realize that Canonical (Ubuntu&#8217;s parent company) focuses on the front-end user experience and not so much on the back-end OS. In fact, Ubuntu is often criticized for not contributing more to the OS &#8211; whic is true, Canonical does little OS development. Consequently, the OS code it runs is fairly stock stuff &#8211; code that will be running in other distributions &#8211; so switching to another distro will likely result in the same problems.<br />
Where Ubuntu shines (compared to other Linux distros) is that it works out of the box &#8211; the fiddly details of running / installing / updating applications on a Linux box are nicely hidden from the average user.<br />
Unity is a big if. It is cler that the Unity in 11.10 was not finished. It was only good for launching applications. In 12.04, with the HUD, Unity is much more powerful. Canonical&#8217;s biggest blunder with Unity is in not providing a tutorial or walk through. You can&#8217;t change the UI paradigm and not explain it to people.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi,
I&#039;m disappointed too... As a developer, I need a quite robust system; going Ubuntu 11.10 was probably an error.
I can&#039;t even get a stable network connection, which is a major problem for working with SVN and through a VPN.
Tomorrow 12.04 is coming; I hope it will fix this issue or I&#039;ll have to choose another OS :/
And by the way, I don&#039;t like Unity neither ;)
Regards.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I&#8217;m disappointed too&#8230; As a developer, I need a quite robust system; going Ubuntu 11.10 was probably an error.<br />
I can&#8217;t even get a stable network connection, which is a major problem for working with SVN and through a VPN.<br />
Tomorrow 12.04 is coming; I hope it will fix this issue or I&#8217;ll have to choose another OS :/<br />
And by the way, I don&#8217;t like Unity neither 😉<br />
Regards.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 12:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://complete-concrete-concise.com/blog/ubuntu-11-10-first-impressions-not-positive/#comment-364&quot;&gt;Mark Van Goth&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for your comment.
Since I wrote the article, Ubuntu 11.10 has stabilized and I haven&#039;t encountered many of the problems mentioned.
I do run Ubuntu 11.04 on a laptop (without Unity) and am happy with it.
I have no problem with running OSes under VirtualBox and use 11.10 quite happily there.
As for upgrading, well ... I feel the typical home user is more interested in an &quot;upgrade&quot; rather than installing a fresh OS every time there is a new version. They want to keep all their old applications , data, and setup as is. Installing a fresh OS means the user has to (1) backup and reinstall their data, (2) reinstall all their applications and (3) do any tweaking and customization they had in place.
For a typical home user, I think Unity is a pretty good interface. After using it for a while, it grows on you.
Canonical made two errors: (1) recommending upgrades to intermediate versions. I think the average hoem user is only interested in stable long term support versions rather than the in progress versions released every six months; (2) Unity was dropped on users without any tutorial or training. I think this was a place where Canonical should have included some sort of interactive tutorial when Unity is first run. If you install KDE, you get little popups and hints that try to guide you through the interface.
As for user interfaces ... well, they change over time. I have considered doing a review of &quot;power user&quot; desktops (like ratpoison, spectrwm, ion, etc), but I figure most power users are using emacs ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://complete-concrete-concise.com/blog/ubuntu-11-10-first-impressions-not-positive/#comment-364">Mark Van Goth</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.<br />
Since I wrote the article, Ubuntu 11.10 has stabilized and I haven&#8217;t encountered many of the problems mentioned.<br />
I do run Ubuntu 11.04 on a laptop (without Unity) and am happy with it.<br />
I have no problem with running OSes under VirtualBox and use 11.10 quite happily there.<br />
As for upgrading, well &#8230; I feel the typical home user is more interested in an &#8220;upgrade&#8221; rather than installing a fresh OS every time there is a new version. They want to keep all their old applications , data, and setup as is. Installing a fresh OS means the user has to (1) backup and reinstall their data, (2) reinstall all their applications and (3) do any tweaking and customization they had in place.<br />
For a typical home user, I think Unity is a pretty good interface. After using it for a while, it grows on you.<br />
Canonical made two errors: (1) recommending upgrades to intermediate versions. I think the average hoem user is only interested in stable long term support versions rather than the in progress versions released every six months; (2) Unity was dropped on users without any tutorial or training. I think this was a place where Canonical should have included some sort of interactive tutorial when Unity is first run. If you install KDE, you get little popups and hints that try to guide you through the interface.<br />
As for user interfaces &#8230; well, they change over time. I have considered doing a review of &#8220;power user&#8221; desktops (like ratpoison, spectrwm, ion, etc), but I figure most power users are using emacs 😉</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 11:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi,
I&#039;m an experienced Linux as you and a developer.
First of all, I don&#039;t agree the way you have tested the OS.
1)I would use virtualbox only for a &#039;&#039;quick&#039;&#039; test-just to see how it looks like.The only way to see how an OS works in the real life, is to install it on a real machine.Virtualbox just cannot offer the same &#039;&#039;realism&#039;&#039; of a real machine.
Boot the .iso from a usb (with persistence) and see what happens.
2)You decided to upgrade from an older version of Ubuntu to newer one.Sure, you can do it....if you like unstable stuff.A clean/fresh installation is always the best choice(It takes less time and less room on the disk).I always recommend to make a fresh installation and, if needed, the removal of old configuration files.
Anyway...I think that Ubuntu, Gnome team,etc. have completely ruined linux.
Unity is not ready for a corporate and/or advanced use,Gnome 3 or Gnome Shell neither.Gnome 2.3x was absolutely the best interface ever made(Since it was compatible/suitable for an universal use).The new desktop interfaces are not as intuitive, stable and complete as the older ones.Ok, that&#039;s normal since their NEW INTERFACES but...the designers had worked to make them cute, but not usable as their predecessors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I&#8217;m an experienced Linux as you and a developer.<br />
First of all, I don&#8217;t agree the way you have tested the OS.<br />
1)I would use virtualbox only for a &#8221;quick&#8221; test-just to see how it looks like.The only way to see how an OS works in the real life, is to install it on a real machine.Virtualbox just cannot offer the same &#8221;realism&#8221; of a real machine.<br />
Boot the .iso from a usb (with persistence) and see what happens.<br />
2)You decided to upgrade from an older version of Ubuntu to newer one.Sure, you can do it&#8230;.if you like unstable stuff.A clean/fresh installation is always the best choice(It takes less time and less room on the disk).I always recommend to make a fresh installation and, if needed, the removal of old configuration files.<br />
Anyway&#8230;I think that Ubuntu, Gnome team,etc. have completely ruined linux.<br />
Unity is not ready for a corporate and/or advanced use,Gnome 3 or Gnome Shell neither.Gnome 2.3x was absolutely the best interface ever made(Since it was compatible/suitable for an universal use).The new desktop interfaces are not as intuitive, stable and complete as the older ones.Ok, that&#8217;s normal since their NEW INTERFACES but&#8230;the designers had worked to make them cute, but not usable as their predecessors.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://complete-concrete-concise.com/blog/ubuntu-11-10-first-impressions-not-positive/#comment-362&quot;&gt;Scotty&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve learned a fair bit since I wrote the article. I think Ubuntu (and other software distros) should better distinguish between stable long term supported releases and potentially problematic interim releases. But I doubt they would be happy to call it &lt;u&gt;11.10 Beta&lt;/u&gt;
Unity does grow on you after a while. Ubtuntu should have had some sort of interactive tutorial running to guide people through the new interface - just dropping it on people is a big no-no.
Alt-Tab works well to locate minimized apps.
All said, after testing many Linux distros, Ubuntu is the one that comes closest to &quot;getting it&quot; when it comes to releasing a usable distro of Linux. Not just usable, but install friendly.
I&#039;ve been playing with 12.04. The earliest releases were horribly unstable, however, since mid-January, they&#039;ve been reasonably stable (but new updates can always break it).
My expectation of 12.04 is that it may suffer from some issues at release but they will be fixed up as time progresses.
Overall, 11.10 isn&#039;t that bad. Yes, it did have some inital issues, but they got ironed out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://complete-concrete-concise.com/blog/ubuntu-11-10-first-impressions-not-positive/#comment-362">Scotty</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned a fair bit since I wrote the article. I think Ubuntu (and other software distros) should better distinguish between stable long term supported releases and potentially problematic interim releases. But I doubt they would be happy to call it <u>11.10 Beta</u><br />
Unity does grow on you after a while. Ubtuntu should have had some sort of interactive tutorial running to guide people through the new interface &#8211; just dropping it on people is a big no-no.<br />
Alt-Tab works well to locate minimized apps.<br />
All said, after testing many Linux distros, Ubuntu is the one that comes closest to &#8220;getting it&#8221; when it comes to releasing a usable distro of Linux. Not just usable, but install friendly.<br />
I&#8217;ve been playing with 12.04. The earliest releases were horribly unstable, however, since mid-January, they&#8217;ve been reasonably stable (but new updates can always break it).<br />
My expectation of 12.04 is that it may suffer from some issues at release but they will be fixed up as time progresses.<br />
Overall, 11.10 isn&#8217;t that bad. Yes, it did have some inital issues, but they got ironed out.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I usually only intall LTS releases of Ubuntu, and I have been extremely happy with 10.04, it is my web server, and I think that&#039;s going to stay 10.04 until the machine literally dies. I have two other computers that I use on a regular basis, one is a media center type device that has only a TV for a monitor that is running Windows 7.  Hate Microsoft all you want, but Windows 7 is definitely impressive.  Probably helps that all I use it for is a glorified TV, but impressive nonetheless.
I have one more computer that I use for most everything else.  It was running Ubuntu 10.04, but after hearing all the outcry over Unity, I thought I would see what all the fuss was about.  I was expecting to hate it, and I did, at least at first.
I&#039;ve been using Linux for about ten years, and I have to admit I felt like a complete noob when I first booted up my new 11.10 installation.  Everything seemed different, and not a good different either.  The first thing that threw me for a loop was there wasn&#039;t a task bar.  I minimized a program and it seemed to disappear! That took a little getting used to.
Then, I tried mounting network drives with no luck.  When I finally did mount them, they didn&#039;t appear on the desktop like they did in versions past.  That was almost the last straw.  But I found and installed a program called Ubuntu Tweak that helped fix that.  Then I realized I couldn&#039;t resize or move the Unity bar.  Fixed that with a program called CompizConfig Settings Manager.
After those minor tune-ups, I find that the Unity interface is starting to grow on me, and I begrudgingly admit I like it better than the old Gnome 2 interface I used for so long.  There are still some bugs that need to be fixed, some optimization to speed things up a bit, but Ubuntu could be on to something really good in my opinion. Lets hope they get most of the bugs wrinkled out with 12.04.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually only intall LTS releases of Ubuntu, and I have been extremely happy with 10.04, it is my web server, and I think that&#8217;s going to stay 10.04 until the machine literally dies. I have two other computers that I use on a regular basis, one is a media center type device that has only a TV for a monitor that is running Windows 7.  Hate Microsoft all you want, but Windows 7 is definitely impressive.  Probably helps that all I use it for is a glorified TV, but impressive nonetheless.<br />
I have one more computer that I use for most everything else.  It was running Ubuntu 10.04, but after hearing all the outcry over Unity, I thought I would see what all the fuss was about.  I was expecting to hate it, and I did, at least at first.<br />
I&#8217;ve been using Linux for about ten years, and I have to admit I felt like a complete noob when I first booted up my new 11.10 installation.  Everything seemed different, and not a good different either.  The first thing that threw me for a loop was there wasn&#8217;t a task bar.  I minimized a program and it seemed to disappear! That took a little getting used to.<br />
Then, I tried mounting network drives with no luck.  When I finally did mount them, they didn&#8217;t appear on the desktop like they did in versions past.  That was almost the last straw.  But I found and installed a program called Ubuntu Tweak that helped fix that.  Then I realized I couldn&#8217;t resize or move the Unity bar.  Fixed that with a program called CompizConfig Settings Manager.<br />
After those minor tune-ups, I find that the Unity interface is starting to grow on me, and I begrudgingly admit I like it better than the old Gnome 2 interface I used for so long.  There are still some bugs that need to be fixed, some optimization to speed things up a bit, but Ubuntu could be on to something really good in my opinion. Lets hope they get most of the bugs wrinkled out with 12.04.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://complete-concrete-concise.com/blog/ubuntu-11-10-first-impressions-not-positive/#comment-360&quot;&gt;Ted Biryukov&lt;/a&gt;.

I haven&#039;t used 10.10, but I was happy with 11.04 - as mentioned in the article, I had that &quot;Linux finally got it right&quot; feeling. While the initial release of 11.10 was horrible, whne you do the install now, it goes very smoothly.
Unity is still an issue, but, for the average user, it&#039;s probably all they need. The fact they need to be &quot;taught&quot; a new interface is another matter. Ubuntu seriously dropped the ball on Unity - they should have had some tutorial script that walked user&#039;s through it (if flash game on the web come with built in tutorials in the first few levels, surely Ubuntu could have done the same).
Since I wrote the article, I&#039;ve tried out over a dozen different Linux distros and keep coming back to the feeling that Ubuntu &quot;gets it&quot;, whereas the other distros don&#039;t (Ubuntu based distros obviously &quot;get it&quot; because they basically have the same installer as Ubuntu). My biggest disappointment was Fedora 16 which failed to install under VMWare - clearly RedHat is more interested in the enterprise market (which pays money) than the &quot;free download&quot; market. Linux Mint is nice (although, it i based on Ubuntu) - the main problem with Linux Mint is, I think (I could be wrong), there is no upgrade path: when a new version comes out, you have to &lt;u&gt;INSTALL&lt;/u&gt; it instead of &lt;u&gt;UPGRADE&lt;/u&gt; to it.
Thanks for your feedback.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://complete-concrete-concise.com/blog/ubuntu-11-10-first-impressions-not-positive/#comment-360">Ted Biryukov</a>.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t used 10.10, but I was happy with 11.04 &#8211; as mentioned in the article, I had that &#8220;Linux finally got it right&#8221; feeling. While the initial release of 11.10 was horrible, whne you do the install now, it goes very smoothly.<br />
Unity is still an issue, but, for the average user, it&#8217;s probably all they need. The fact they need to be &#8220;taught&#8221; a new interface is another matter. Ubuntu seriously dropped the ball on Unity &#8211; they should have had some tutorial script that walked user&#8217;s through it (if flash game on the web come with built in tutorials in the first few levels, surely Ubuntu could have done the same).<br />
Since I wrote the article, I&#8217;ve tried out over a dozen different Linux distros and keep coming back to the feeling that Ubuntu &#8220;gets it&#8221;, whereas the other distros don&#8217;t (Ubuntu based distros obviously &#8220;get it&#8221; because they basically have the same installer as Ubuntu). My biggest disappointment was Fedora 16 which failed to install under VMWare &#8211; clearly RedHat is more interested in the enterprise market (which pays money) than the &#8220;free download&#8221; market. Linux Mint is nice (although, it i based on Ubuntu) &#8211; the main problem with Linux Mint is, I think (I could be wrong), there is no upgrade path: when a new version comes out, you have to <u>INSTALL</u> it instead of <u>UPGRADE</u> to it.<br />
Thanks for your feedback.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I find 10.10 much better. And the last two versions are very unstable IMO.
On my HP 625 P360 ( XN843EA#ABH )
  Ubuntu 10.10 loads in 30 seconds and halts in 4 seconds!
  Ubuntu 11.10 loads in &#062;60 seconds and halts in &#062;60 seconds!
In 10.10 there are some problems, too, but they are very small.
eg: I don&#039;t know why but I can&#039;t use Shift-Ctrl-Alt-Left, Shift-Alt-Tab and everything with Shift-Alt because it&#039;s always recognized as &#039;switch language&#039;. It&#039;s a pity. But it&#039;s not that terrible. IMO]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find 10.10 much better. And the last two versions are very unstable IMO.<br />
On my HP 625 P360 ( XN843EA#ABH )<br />
  Ubuntu 10.10 loads in 30 seconds and halts in 4 seconds!<br />
  Ubuntu 11.10 loads in &gt;60 seconds and halts in &gt;60 seconds!<br />
In 10.10 there are some problems, too, but they are very small.<br />
eg: I don&#8217;t know why but I can&#8217;t use Shift-Ctrl-Alt-Left, Shift-Alt-Tab and everything with Shift-Alt because it&#8217;s always recognized as &#8216;switch language&#8217;. It&#8217;s a pity. But it&#8217;s not that terrible. IMO</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://complete-concrete-concise.com/blog/ubuntu-11-10-first-impressions-not-positive/#comment-358&quot;&gt;seaumas&lt;/a&gt;.

Over the past many weeks, I&#039;ve been playing around with lots and lots of Linux distros. I have come to the conclusion that (1) Linux is all pretty much the same under the hood, (2) there are only  handful of truly distinct distros (like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc), (3) most Linux distros are just a customized version of some main distro (customizations are typically: the appearance and the bundled / default applications), (4) when it comes to desktops, there are only really four: GNOME, KDE, LXDE, and XFCE - some distros offer all four, others focus on only one.
Because of this, any distro that wants to be economically viable has t, not only differentiate itself from the others, but also has to lock users into it.
Most smaller distros fail at this because upgrading to the latest version means installing the new distro instead of upgrading. The average user is not going to be happy to have to reinstall all their favourite apps, restore data, etc.
Major distros have to focus on making themselves incompatible with other major distros - thus preventing people from upgrading from Ubuntu to, say, Fedora.
Having said all that, I find Ubuntu to still be the best. I was disappointed with many of the other distros - they don&#039;t have as extensive a list of software apps for installation, or the installation procedure is not as nice as Ubuntu&#039;s. I was particularily disappointed that Fedora Desktop failed to install (I didn&#039;t troubleshoot why), but, then again, their focus is on providing Enterprise solutions (where people pay for support).
Believe it or not, I am finding Unity less and less annoying - not that I am a Unity power user (and I still use Windows as my primary OS - Windows 7 now that my XP machine finally died).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://complete-concrete-concise.com/blog/ubuntu-11-10-first-impressions-not-positive/#comment-358">seaumas</a>.</p>
<p>Over the past many weeks, I&#8217;ve been playing around with lots and lots of Linux distros. I have come to the conclusion that (1) Linux is all pretty much the same under the hood, (2) there are only  handful of truly distinct distros (like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc), (3) most Linux distros are just a customized version of some main distro (customizations are typically: the appearance and the bundled / default applications), (4) when it comes to desktops, there are only really four: GNOME, KDE, LXDE, and XFCE &#8211; some distros offer all four, others focus on only one.<br />
Because of this, any distro that wants to be economically viable has t, not only differentiate itself from the others, but also has to lock users into it.<br />
Most smaller distros fail at this because upgrading to the latest version means installing the new distro instead of upgrading. The average user is not going to be happy to have to reinstall all their favourite apps, restore data, etc.<br />
Major distros have to focus on making themselves incompatible with other major distros &#8211; thus preventing people from upgrading from Ubuntu to, say, Fedora.<br />
Having said all that, I find Ubuntu to still be the best. I was disappointed with many of the other distros &#8211; they don&#8217;t have as extensive a list of software apps for installation, or the installation procedure is not as nice as Ubuntu&#8217;s. I was particularily disappointed that Fedora Desktop failed to install (I didn&#8217;t troubleshoot why), but, then again, their focus is on providing Enterprise solutions (where people pay for support).<br />
Believe it or not, I am finding Unity less and less annoying &#8211; not that I am a Unity power user (and I still use Windows as my primary OS &#8211; Windows 7 now that my XP machine finally died).</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Almost everything that you did I did and got the same results+ versions of Windows-like hangups, slow downs, freezes and the &quot;Black Screen of Death&quot;.  It was so slubbish I thought I had a virus.  The 11.10 log in screen is bananas so I just skipped and punched in what I guess is default.  Got the &#039;next-to-useless&#039; desktop.  And what is this thing about it not liking Debian apps?  Anyway, too much trouble.  I&#039;m back to 10.10 and loving it (which still loves Debian.)  this right here is yer answer to Windows 7Ult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost everything that you did I did and got the same results+ versions of Windows-like hangups, slow downs, freezes and the &#8220;Black Screen of Death&#8221;.  It was so slubbish I thought I had a virus.  The 11.10 log in screen is bananas so I just skipped and punched in what I guess is default.  Got the &#8216;next-to-useless&#8217; desktop.  And what is this thing about it not liking Debian apps?  Anyway, too much trouble.  I&#8217;m back to 10.10 and loving it (which still loves Debian.)  this right here is yer answer to Windows 7Ult.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://complete-concrete-concise.com/blog/ubuntu-11-10-first-impressions-not-positive/#comment-356&quot;&gt;imnotrich&lt;/a&gt;.

Ubuntu has probably removed legacy support from its newer distributions. There is only so much space available in a CD sized disto (~700Mb). DVDs can store more, but that makes for a bigger download, i.e. more bandwidth, more time.
I have&#039;t booted from CD. On my desktop, I run Ubuntu inside a VirtualBox machine and it runs fine there.
I also have 11.04 installed on a 7 year old laptop (an Averatec) and it runs quite well there, although ... I do find the inteface kind of sluggish - it is not the &quot;Let Linux breath new life into your aging hardware&quot; experience. Over the past 3 days, I&#039;ve been trying out various window managers and dekstop environments and have discovered that the sluggishness is Ubuntu&#039;s desktop environment - or, more accurately, Gnome 3. Mind you, the other main contender, KDE Plasma doesn&#039;t come off any better - in fact, I think it even more sluggish.]]></description>
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<p>Ubuntu has probably removed legacy support from its newer distributions. There is only so much space available in a CD sized disto (~700Mb). DVDs can store more, but that makes for a bigger download, i.e. more bandwidth, more time.<br />
I have&#8217;t booted from CD. On my desktop, I run Ubuntu inside a VirtualBox machine and it runs fine there.<br />
I also have 11.04 installed on a 7 year old laptop (an Averatec) and it runs quite well there, although &#8230; I do find the inteface kind of sluggish &#8211; it is not the &#8220;Let Linux breath new life into your aging hardware&#8221; experience. Over the past 3 days, I&#8217;ve been trying out various window managers and dekstop environments and have discovered that the sluggishness is Ubuntu&#8217;s desktop environment &#8211; or, more accurately, Gnome 3. Mind you, the other main contender, KDE Plasma doesn&#8217;t come off any better &#8211; in fact, I think it even more sluggish.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t been able to use Ubuntu on my laptop since version 9.04. The 10&#039;s and 11&#039;s don&#039;t support my very common video and wifi hardware. At least Debian up to Lenny did - so that&#039;s where I went. Back to the mothership.
If you got past the live cd blank screen debacle please publish your secret method. I tried all the special modes including no modeset. Plus if you can&#039;t get to the command line you&#039;re pretty much done unless you are telepathic.
This is a problem that fairly common with Ubuntu and has been around for several years, unresolved and now (rather depressing) Squeeze dropped support for my ati video and realtek wifi. Bummer. Can&#039;t afford a new laptop, and don&#039;t want to run a mini distro like Puppy. An excellent choice for old hardware but too bleeding edge for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been able to use Ubuntu on my laptop since version 9.04. The 10&#8217;s and 11&#8217;s don&#8217;t support my very common video and wifi hardware. At least Debian up to Lenny did &#8211; so that&#8217;s where I went. Back to the mothership.<br />
If you got past the live cd blank screen debacle please publish your secret method. I tried all the special modes including no modeset. Plus if you can&#8217;t get to the command line you&#8217;re pretty much done unless you are telepathic.<br />
This is a problem that fairly common with Ubuntu and has been around for several years, unresolved and now (rather depressing) Squeeze dropped support for my ati video and realtek wifi. Bummer. Can&#8217;t afford a new laptop, and don&#8217;t want to run a mini distro like Puppy. An excellent choice for old hardware but too bleeding edge for me.</p>
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